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Fuller Professors Talk Money

Student Stewardship Group hosts panel discussion on what it means to be a steward :: 11/14/12
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Scott Cormode, Jude Tiersma-Watson, Cameron Lee, and David Downs

There was no beating around the bush in Payton Hall on Tuesday, November 14, as four Fuller professors spoke candidly and honestly about money and what it means for Christians.

The subject, which each professor admitted is often taboo, is central to spiritual life, said Jake Mulder, leader of the Student Stewardship Group, which hosted the evening event titled “Let’s Talk About Money.”

The group gathered the professors to ask and answer questions about how Christians should think about and spend money, because it believes “money is not something that is separate from our discipleship,” Mulder told the audience.

He added that money is an important topic for students as they think about debt and loans, wise use of resources by the seminary, and financial leadership at church.

Dr. Scott Cormode, professor of leadership in the School of Theology, led the event by posing questions and offering insights. The School of Intercultural Studies’ Jude Tiersma-Watson, the School of Psychology’s Cameron Lee, and the School of Theology’s David Downs offered their opinions and theories about money in relation to their studies and expertise.

cormode_stewardshipCormode began with a story that highlighted how “money” is often regarded as a dirty word. He explained how in his graduate school years, he and his wife were part of a Christian Bible study group. As the group members all just had or were about to have kids, the group’s discussion turned into a month-long conversation about sex. But six to eight months later, when Cormode and his wife wanted to discuss finances, nobody was on board.

“Almost instantly everyone in the group said no,” Cormode recalled. “We could talk about all sorts of things, including things that are not talked about in polite company, but we could not talk about money.”

Dr. Downs hypothesized that people may not be comfortable talking about money because it reveals too much about who they are.

“The ways we use, acquire, and dispose of resources communicate fundamentals about how we view the world, how we view God, and how we treat others,” he said. “We like to talk about things on the surface, but not about who we really are as people.”

On top of that, the Bible often has difficult things to say about the wealthy, which when viewed in a global context would include most students, Downs said.

“That means that quite often we probably should identify with the wealthy, who are condemned in Scripture more than we’d like to admit,” he said. “That informs a lot of our practice of trying to sometimes avoid what the Bible says about money, because it has a lot to say and not all of it is good news.”

judetw_stewardshipDr. Lee added that one reason people have difficulty discussing money is because it is a “potent symbol of the various things that are important to us in terms of what we want out of life,” like security or significance.

Dr. Tiersma-Watson had a different take.

“People who have money don’t like to talk about money,” she said. “In poor neighborhoods, everything is out there. If we grow up in white suburbia, we have this cushion, this façade of control and niceness.”

And from a cultural perspective, one of the deep issues surrounding money is the individualism of American society, which says, “my money is my business,” Tiersma-Watson said.

“Is that biblical? I don’t think so.” 

So, just how much is our approach to money a spiritual question that requires a spiritual response? Cormode asked.

Lee told the audience it comes down to idolatry. What lies at the root of many arguments he sees couples have in his marriage and family therapy practice is that money—or what money symbolizes—becomes so important that it trumps all other things.

Tiersma-Watson and Cormode agreed, each noting that security and control are qualities of money that are hard not to idolize.

“Part of the reason we talk about idolatry is that we use money to cultivate independence,” Cormode said. “I would like to not be dependent upon my neighbors. I would like to not be dependent on my government. And, truth be told, I don’t want to be dependent onlee_stewardship_2 my God.”

Downs noted that there must be a dispelling of the implicit assumption that we can segment the spiritual from the rest of our lives.

“There is no segment of our lives that is not implicated in the gospel,” he said. “How we dispose of our possessions communicates what we think about our Creator and what we think about the creation.”

The early Christians, the professors agreed, gave many practical examples of how to better deal with money.

For starters, the Bible is fraught with commands to be thankful and grateful, Tiersma-Watson said.

“One of the greatest neglected holy habits in spiritual discipline is gratitude,” she said. “Gratitude is the opposite spirit of consumerism and materialism.”

She told the audience that when she worked for what was then Fuller’s School of World Mission, she would often encounter international students who could easily identify that materialism was a problem in Western culture.

“People notice so easily the idols of another place,” she said. “These international students who came here to Southern California would say, ‘we can feel the oppression of consumerism. We can feel the gods around you.’”

Gratitude should be practiced daily in order to intentionally resist culture.

Downs pointed to scripture from 1 Corinthians 16 that explained offering and giving as an act of worship and a physical sharing of resources. The Corinthians shared communion and fellowship with people of different levels of economic resources, he said. They made giving about relationship.

“In the Western world, we’ve invented this neat device called ‘charity,’ which is a foreign concept in antiquity,” he explained. “We have this notion that we can give of our money to people with whom we have no relationship whatsoever. I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing, but if you are never in direct relationship and friendship and community with people who have less than you, you will never be transformed by them. The poor have much to offer and to give to us, so it becomes a relationship of reciprocal exchange.”

downs_stewardshipDowns said that ancient practice should be cultivated in our current culture.

Turning to more familiar things, the panel discussed debt.

Cormode encouraged students to honestly express their fears and angers about financial stability to God.

He explained that many people shy away from the psalms of lament for being disrespectful to God. He challenged this thinking by saying that God can handle honesty.

“If you’re going to talk about money, feel free to be honest with God in a way that says, ‘God I trust you,’” he said.

Tiersma-Watson also acknowledged that debt is a huge challenge to students. Globally most students are in the top one percent in terms of wealth, she said, but “$60,000 of debt is still $60,000 of debt.”

She offered encouragement that if the world and creation belong to God, so does the debt.

Downs had a different view of debt that he cautioned might seem unsympathetic to Fuller students with loans.

“I think it’s kind of a privilege to take advantage of a system that allows one to withdraw loans to pay for an education,” he said.